In this episode Tish and Adam talk to the poet Richard Hamilton about his new book, Rest of Us (Recenter Press, 2021) and Hamilton shares a number of his poems. We also discuss, among other things, the relationship of the social and the subjective, absurdist aesthetic strategies, the afterlife of slavery, remixing time, the “MFA industry” and the Kenneth Goldsmith controversy, what it means to write or make art for the working-class and oppressed, the relationship of visual art to poetry, and the discordant will of the revolutionary subject.